Tuesday, 8 March 2005

This is wonderful


It's on an open mailing list, so I am going to repost it without compunction. The whole conversation has a delightful air of Stretchford Polytechnic about it. Now read on. - latest comments at the top.

(Edit 10.10.2005 - one set of comments removed at the request of the original poster.)



Free stuff in the bar


13 messages


Ali, Tamoor Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 10:49AM


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International Women�s Day



Hi Guys,



The Studentsââ?¬â?¢ Union is celebrating International Womenââ?¬â?¢s day by ââ?¬Å?looking after the women in the Universityââ?¬Â? We have several different organisations on to campus in the bar waiting for youââ?¬Â¦



Pool room


Lush


Nails


Hair


Anne summers



Bar


Thorntons


Free condoms!


And much much more�.with free chocolates and other free goodies.




Tamoor Ali



V.P. Academic & Welfare


Students' Union


University


of


Essex


Wivenhoe Park


Colchester


C04 3SQ



t: 01206 863211


f: 01206 870915





Curtin, Mary E Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 11:31AM


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My my my, it is a sad day indeed when INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S DAY--at ESSEX UNIVERSITY, with its RADICAL past,--is commemorated only with chocolate and condoms and overpriced soap! Is historical amnesia and consumer overload SO complete, so REPLETE, in our politically impoverished land that we have forgotten that this day was first organized in 1911 by women socialists and has ever since been a day for strikes and marches for peace as well as women's rights?



In today's INDEPENDENT, there is an article that tells us that most girls, by the age of SIX, are unhappy with their weight; there is another article detailing how riot police in Turkey used tear gas and truncheons on female protesters.



We all love chocolate, but it is also worthwhile to use this day to reflect on a world that still values women for how they look and beats them for what they believe.



Mary Ellen Curtin


Department of History



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From: owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk


[mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Ali, Tamoor


Sent: 08 March 2005 10:49


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Subject: Free stuff in the bar



International Women's Day



Hi Guys,



The Students' Union is celebrating International Women's day by "looking


after the women in the University" We have several different


organisations on to campus in the bar waiting for you...




Pool room



Lush



Nails



Hair



Anne summers



Bar



Thorntons



Free condoms!



And much much more....with free chocolates and other free goodies.




Tamoor Ali



V.P. Academic & Welfare



Students' Union



University of Essex



Wivenhoe Park



Colchester



C04 3SQ



t: 01206 863211



f: 01206 870915



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[mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Curtin, Mary E


Sent: 08 March 2005 11:31


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Good, Julian R P Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 11:49AM


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Celebrating International Women's Day with a nail and hair bar?



Perhaps I am wrong in thinking that there is more to people than nails


and hair?



Somebody put his misguided person right, then, please.



Julian Good.


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Vigors, Anthony D Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:11PM


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I'll wager there's a lot more on offer than getting your nails and hair


done. I know that one of the girls was up until past 3 o'clock this


morning organising things for this event.


Perhaps rather than mocking the hard work that these girls have put into


this event people would like to go see what they are trying to achieve


and show them some support.



Tony Vigors



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[mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Good, Julian R P


Sent: 08 March 2005 11:50


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Leena Ghosh Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:24PM


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I have to say that I agree with the remarks of the 2 below and add that it


is precisely this type of trivialisation of women that perpetuates the


disconnection between man and woman and the struggle of equality and


women's' rights.


Let's us celebrate the entirety of women as opposed to just how to make her


look better (for men perhaps?)



Leena



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Oughton, Gareth J Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:23PM


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Dear All,



Some may say it is an even sadder day, when a group of democratically


elected students who have spent a considerable amount of time organising


today's events get chastised by university staff members.



For your information, there are stands in the Bar and in the Pool Room


(where today's 'objectifying' events are taking place) with details of


the history behind International Women's Day, petitions for women's


democratic rights in Kuwait, comparisons of how International Women's


Day is being celebrated across the world, Sexual Health information and


there is also promotion for tonight's talk on 'Women and Islam.'



The students on the Women's Committee decided that after several years


of a solely political approach (with very little student engagement),


people might be more receptive to a less 'in-your-face' approach. They


decided to get the message across in a more subtle way and do something


a bit more fun.



The Students' Union Executive Committee will support active students in


any way we can and therefore completely support the members of Women's


Committee who have put so much work into making today a success. It is


worth noting that because of this 'objectifying' approach, we have got


more student interest in International Women's Day than ever before.



I hope that clears up some of your concerns,



Gareth



Gareth Oughton


President


University of Essex Students' Union


Wivenhoe Park


Colchester


Essex


CO4 3SQ



Tel: 01206 863211


E: president@essex.ac.uk



http://www.essexstudent.com




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Landman, Todd Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:25PM


To: "Vigors, Anthony D" , smallads-staff - subscription list


Sorry, I though they were women!



Todd



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[mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Vigors, Anthony D


Sent: 08 March 2005 12:11


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Subject: RE: Free stuff in the bar



I'll wager there's a lot more on offer than getting your nails and hair


done. I know that one of the girls was up until past 3 o'clock this


morning organising things for this event.


Perhaps rather than mocking the hard work that these girls have put into


this event people would like to go see what they are trying to achieve


and show them some support.



Tony Vigors



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From: owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk


[mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk] On Behalf Of Good, Julian R P


Sent: 08 March 2005 11:50


To: Ali, Tamoor; smallads-staff - subscription list; smallads-student -


subscription list


Subject: RE: Free stuff in the bar



Celebrating International Women's Day with a nail and hair bar?



Perhaps I am wrong in thinking that there is more to people than nails


and hair?



Somebody put his misguided person right, then, please.



Julian Good.



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Robinson, Owen Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:35PM


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Perhaps if 'free stuff at the bar' wasn't prioritised over


'International Women's Day' in the original email it would be easier to


take seriously...And how is raising serious political objection to the


way something is presented 'mockery'?! This is a university, is it not?



Owen



Dr Owen Robinson


Department of Literature, Film, and Theatre Studies


University of Essex


Wivenhoe Park


Colchester CO4 3SQ


U.K.



Tel: 01206 872617


Email: orobin@essex.ac.uk


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Clary, Joanne L Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:30PM


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Well, I'm not sure about calling them 'girls' Tony, but I'm very grateful for their hard work ;-)



I'd like to be able to call myself a feminist AND get free stuff. See you all there!



Jo


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Ben Clements Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:43PM


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Perhaps all we're really celebrating are the gender-neutral commercial and


consumer achievements of some unknown people??


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Patrick, Peter L Tue, Mar 8, 2005 at 12:48PM


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why didn't any of this other fine stuff get advertised


to what I take to be a primarily-staff list?



I see nothing wrong with vigorous political discussion


taking place between staff and students, personally


(and whether they are democratically elected or not


is perfectly irrelevant). I know this is not a discussion


list, but if someone posts to it, they are entitled to


expect list-members to react. Students, and their representatives, who


are engaged in political profile- raising can't afford to be too


thin-skinned - anyone who has done it knows that won't get you very far.



on the other hand, THIS list is about consumer products,


at one level, so we shouldn't get too upset if that is highlighted.


perhaps the students are so radicalized, and have so little faith in


staff's political commitment, that they think the only way to get us to


show up is superficial goodies... or perhaps it was just a careless


moment...



what is apparent is that the goodies on offer are not


designed to attract male interest, only female (fair enough), so this


attempt at increasing accessibility isn't going to work for most of the


people who have reacted critically today!



-plp-



> -----Original Message-----


> From: owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk


> [mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk] On Behalf Of


> Oughton, Gareth J


> Sent: 08 March 2005 12:23


> To: smallads-staff - subscription list; smallads-student -


> subscription list


> Subject: RE: Free stuff in the bar


>


>


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> -----Original Message-----


> From: owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk


> [mailto:owner-smallads-staff@essex.ac.uk]On Behalf Of Curtin, Mary E


> Sent: 08 March 2005 11:31


> To: Ali, Tamoor; smallads-staff - subscription list;


> smallads-student - subscription list


> Subject: RE: Free stuff in the bar


>


>


> My my my, it is a sad day indeed when INTERNATIONAL WOMEN'S


> DAY--at ESSEX UNIVERSITY, with its RADICAL past,--is


> commemorated only with chocolate and condoms and overpriced


> soap! Is historical amnesia and consumer overload SO


> complete, so REPLETE, in our politically impoverished land


> that we have forgotten that this day was first organized in


> 1911 by women socialists and has ever since been a day for


> strikes and marches for peace as well as women's rights?


>


> In today's INDEPENDENT, there is an article that tells us


> that most girls, by the age of SIX, are unhappy with their


> weight; there is another article detailing how riot police in


> Turkey used tear gas and truncheons on female protesters.


>


> We all love chocolate, but it is also worthwhile to use this


> day to reflect on a world that still values women for how


> they look and beats them for what they believe.


>


> Mary Ellen Curtin


> Department of History


>


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